A little political wtf? inside

"El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First!" (lightningzone) 09/30/2014 at 15:48 • Filed to: None

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Here's a small, cool Toyota we don't get, for your trouble.

The fuck's wrong with that guy? I'm not from Texas or black, but I'm still not voting for the republicans until they get rid of the tea party primates and religious fundamentalists. A political party should have a line of conduit, stipulating that the party shouldn't allow people with attitudes from 500 years ago, among its ranks.

EL_ULY > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 15:53

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LOL Tea Party

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 15:54

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What is so bad about it is that, when the tea party first started, they had some good ideas. Smaller government, more individual rights, curbed spending etc...but then the crazies took over. I'm with you LZ.

#notthrilledwitheitherparty

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 15:55

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I find it astonishing that racism even exists anymore, you'd think people would have the intelligence to know better. Even really stupid people.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 09/30/2014 at 15:59

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You would think that

I tried to watch the new show out now called "Black-ish". 30 minute sitcom, cool actors in it, alright I'll give it a shot. (despite being white, which is clearly not the target of the show at all, I got that in the first 5 minutes).

There's a part in the show where the kids describe a girl at school, but didn't describe her with her race. Personally I thought that was cool. Turns out it's the ONLY other black girl in the school, and the color of her skin wasn't the first thing they used to describe her.

The dad was pissed.

I don't get it. That seems like a huge step forward. I ended up turning off the show because they kept talking about how they weren't "Black enough".

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 09/30/2014 at 16:00

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Check out Libertarians. your 3 top points there are the foundation for the Libertarian party- smaller government, more rights, less spending.

I'm not saying they're perfect either, but they aren't the tea partiers

yamahog > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:01

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"The Republican Party doesn't want black people to vote..."

Google, what is gerrymandering? This is not my grandparents' Republican Party and it pisses them off enough to vote across party lines.

yamahog > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/30/2014 at 16:04

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I don't watch the TV, but wouldn't that be making fun of the dad?

My citroen won't start > EL_ULY 09/30/2014 at 16:05

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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/30/2014 at 16:06

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That's pretty unusual. I think an issue is some attach their cultural sensibilities to their race. Whereas where I'm from we have distinctive accents and cultural differences and are nicknamed geordies, this show seems to take their culture and attach it to race instead calling it black culture. This is erroneous in many ways as within the race there are many different cultures and it holds people back in some respects.

EL_ULY > My citroen won't start 09/30/2014 at 16:07

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yes...... tea partyyyYyYyYyY

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > yamahog 09/30/2014 at 16:07

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Pretty astounding when you look back through history to when the Republicans were considered the progressive party, isn't it? I think Abe Lincoln would be disgusted.

PatBateman > yamahog 09/30/2014 at 16:07

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Voting across party lines is what we are all SUPPOSED to do. Vote for the person, not the party. I think that we've forgotten about that concept as a whole.

PatBateman > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:08

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We think this guy is as dumb as you think he is.

-PatBateman, Official Texas Ambassador and Spokesperson to OppositeLock/Jalopnik

jariten1781 > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:09

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The guy isn't associated with the GOP and the Tea Party isn't a political party regardless of what's in the name. You can't genuinely ascribe this morons views to either of them.

You can bet it made the folks in charge of the event screen the speakers better in the future though.

yamahog > PatBateman 09/30/2014 at 16:11

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You and I may know this, but you'd think it was a cardinal sin the way other people brag about straight ticket voting.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 09/30/2014 at 16:11

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The problem with the tea party is that it is paradox. They want less taxes but more defense spending(where do the money the government is spending on defense come from?), they also want more individual rights but less civil rights. They want free speech, but only if the speech is Christian approved. They want smaller government, but government enforced beliefs and morality.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/30/2014 at 16:13

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The Libertarians seem to offer the best of both worlds, but we won't know for sure until they get to power, as some people can change habits once they get into positions of power.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:13

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You've entirely misread this. Tea Partiers see themselves as outside the Republican Party or a "change element" within it, so he's tearing the Republican Party in recent practice down (quite correctly), not saying "I, Ken Emanuelson, don't want black people to vote". It's become very common practice in Tea Party groups to criticize the party as a whole, and a lot of bitter infighting has resulted. The response was made to a black pastor asking about GOP outreach to black communities, so in no way was it intended to say "ha, fuck you". Didn't the fact that the quote/thought seemed incomplete light any warning bells that it wasn't?

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > jariten1781 09/30/2014 at 16:15

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Plus which, it's misconstrued. It was stated as a slam against the Republican Party leadership.

Do-Rif-To > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/30/2014 at 16:17

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Libertarian is where its at, it just sucks that right now the biggest face is now Rand Paul who takes his father's good-crazy and somehow turns it into bad-crazy. I don't understand why the Republican party doesn't sway their line to take up the libertarian vote. Drop the religious aspects, reign in the foreign defense spending, and drop the failed and expensive War on Drugs and it starts to look a lot like the libertarian policies that were so popular amongst all the hip and influential Ron Paul backers.

Shady Balkan Subject, Drives an Alfa > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 09/30/2014 at 16:18

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You would think so, but I can even say that we live in a time that racism and sexism is even stronger, than in the times that we now say defined those. We have a lot of "politically correct" people that actually can harbour racist/sexist views in some form, but be the first to say how someting is offensive, even if the people that it is directed don't find it that way.

We can actually say that even in the Roman Empire, in some cases, black and other coloured slaves got much better treatement than currently and they were labeled slaves. Also I think almost everybody is actually racist in some way even if he doesn't understand or acknowledge it(casual racist jokes or like me that have very strong dislake toward gypsies that live in my country).

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/30/2014 at 16:20

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Well, if the tea baggers are the element of change and progress, the GOP is pretty much doomed.

Sweet Trav > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:21

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We're witnessing the death rattle of the Republican party.

The party hasn't changed in the past 20 years, holds onto ideals that no longer reflect the majority of the nation, They idolize a dead president who royally fucked the working man. The youth don't care about religion, abortion, gay marriage, and are far less xenophobic than our parents. I don't think that the younger generation is apathetic, i think that we are far more sympathetic to those who are struggling, because we're struggling too, we went to school, invested a lot of money in ourselves and barely got a job that pays the bills. Not to mention our distrust of the establishment.

The Republicans aren't adapting, and the Tea-party is just a manifestation of the right moving a bit more towards the center, my theory is that the republicans are going to collapse and a party to the left of the dems is going to come to power pushed forward by those like bernie sanders and elizibeth warren with grassroots support from the youth, because when you look at the polices of the dems, currently they are operating with some strange Eisenhower Republicans ideology.

Welp, now everyone on oppo knows my political stances... or do they?

Sweet Trav > Do-Rif-To 09/30/2014 at 16:23

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because the republicans are bank rolled entirely by the companies that make money on the wars and defense spending...

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:26

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I read your other comment, and I've read your comments in the past. I'm well aware I can't reason you out of your position, but I felt like imploring you toward some base element critical thinking. "Durr hurr I'm a Republican and haets teh blacks"? Get fucking real. If the man's a racist, he won't describe it or himself in such simple terms. Racists have *conceits*.

Of course, since you're holding the Tea Party as a whole responsible for the LaRouchies, tendency toward "any candidate but what we've got", and a fabricated incident on Capitol Hill, well... I'm not a Tea Partier, but in no way is it the Monolithic Granny Bloc as you've internalized.

Do-Rif-To > Sweet Trav 09/30/2014 at 16:26

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Indeed, I wish I actually meant my "I don't understand" but sadly we all know exactly why the Republican party won't budge on those three issues.

Sweet Trav > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/30/2014 at 16:27

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Interesting factoid, most americans like the concept of a smaller government. The problem is no one can explain how the government would perform all, most or some of the functions it does today if it were smaller.

TL:DR We want a smaller government we just cant come to a consensus on how to get there.

PatBateman > yamahog 09/30/2014 at 16:30

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I was just researching a couple of points about religious affiliation and found a poll that showed how Democrats have gotten more liberal in the past few years. I have to believe that the chasm between the two main parties have widened, with the accusations across the aisle becoming more harsh.

TL;DR We are doing the exact opposite of what we need to do in this nation politically.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:30

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I think those are all things that came later, at first, at lease from the way I remember it, it was much more in alignment with the Libertarian point of view, but then that suddenly changed. You are right though, they want it all without thinking about what it would really cost us as a people to get it.

Tapas > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:30

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Yeah. What he said seems to reflect the honest opinions of a lot of Republican party members. And people vote against Republicans because their biased attitude on a lot of issues.

Regardless of party or country of origin, these crazy politician's demands and actions root from 3 things.

1. Incomplete understanding of the policy.

If the policy governs finances, they have no finance background. Like wanting zero tax increase forever, but wanting increased spending for their favorite causes. Or the flat-tax, Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan.

If the policy is governing foreign interests, they have no idea about the cultures, issues and attitudes of people in said foreign countries.

2. Religious bias.

If your understanding of the world is dictated solely by a book (any book/religious text) written thousands of years ago, your perspective of morality and attitude toward anything new is going to be skewed and irrational.

3. Special Interests, greed.

No explanation needed.

#EndOfRant

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Shady Balkan Subject, Drives an Alfa 09/30/2014 at 16:31

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I think (in more developed countries at least) racism is still a problem but not as severe in that the prejudices dont lead to violent crime/persecution as often. But yeah you're right about harbouring grudges against certain races. I have a problem with gypsies moving into my town but to be fair the crime rate skyrocketed as soon as they moved in, so what am I to think?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Shady Balkan Subject, Drives an Alfa 09/30/2014 at 16:39

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Well a big part of the problem is people continuing to push race as an issue like the show I was talking about above.

One thing to remember is that it's not even always as simple as color. Most people don't know that when all the Irish immigrants came over they were paid less than blacks and considered lower than them as well. Because they were Irish. Race has more implications than just color.

jariten1781 > PatBateman 09/30/2014 at 16:41

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That only makes sense if the candidate is going to vote independently when elected. That's not true as 90+% of the time they vote with the caucus.

An example

http://www.opencongress.org/people/votes_w…

http://www.opencongress.org/people/votes_w…

Voting for the person is defacto voting for the party when it comes to legislators, especially with Democrats since the Clinton years (GOP ain't much better).

Execs still hold some independent views though.

pdthedeuce > PatBateman 09/30/2014 at 16:45

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seconded .

Klaus Schmoll > yamahog 09/30/2014 at 16:47

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I just wanted to say the exact same thing. It's not a theory, it's in practice.

Also, a third or fourth party as a force to be reckoned with might be a good thing for political culture in the US. Why not have the tea baggers form their own party instead of hi-jacking the republicans and forcing everybody to be even more right wing than the next guy?

Leadbull > Shady Balkan Subject, Drives an Alfa 09/30/2014 at 16:49

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I think there's a difference between racism and unconscious/minimally-conscious bias or prejudice.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 16:57

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this is a VERY true statement

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Sweet Trav 09/30/2014 at 16:59

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Fair enough

Klaus Schmoll > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 17:00

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If it wasn't so sad it was almost funny to watch this from overseas. Political culture in the US is going down the drain.

What happened to talking to each other and getting a compromise both sides can live with? Right now, we have the Obummers in one corner, and a Republican Party that is being hi-jacked by the tea baggers and their simplistic world views, who are inadvertendly turning it into more and more of a sad joke in the other corner. Stand your ground, don't flinch!

This two-party system is dying a slow death, but with this voting system that is dead set on majorities, a third or fourth party has no chance. Unfortunately, while the boys have their pissing contest, there are a lot of issues in your country that need to be adressed.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 09/30/2014 at 17:05

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Well, I want to agree with you, but there is no proof, I'm not seeing any rational groups emerging out of GOP, not only to counter the tea baggers, but to force a refresh of the party, before it loses the 3rd presidential election in a row. I don't see reasonable republicans going on TV and saying: alright, this lasted for far too long, we agree that religious books were written thousands of years ago when social and political realities were totally different and we don't consider them appropriate and in line with today's realities. If we get to power we will run the nation, based on our own reason and good will, and not on a two millennia old book . If they do that, BAM! They win the votes of the libertarians, many independents and will even keep most of their old, less radical base of voters.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > Klaus Schmoll 09/30/2014 at 17:18

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Because nobody, except themselves, will vote for them, and they wouldn't ever get more than 5%. Just like the communists won't get more than 5% either, because everybody associates them with the Soviet Union.

PatBateman > jariten1781 09/30/2014 at 17:21

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You understand that there are other elected officials than just Congressional Reps and Senators, right? Mayors, city council, county commissioners, judges, school boards, DAs, Attorney Generals, State Comptrollers, etc etc etc. Voting straight ticket means that you vote for the party that these people belong to, not the person that they are. When people vote straight ticket, it counts all the way down the ballot.

An informed and caring voter is not one that presses the "I like this one guy belonging to this particular political party, so I'm sure everyone in that party are good people" button.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/30/2014 at 17:25

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In that small-"l" libertarianism has broad appeal and will lead to greater success and reform, I will agree. The problem is that any small-"l" libertarian movement will encounter exactly what the Tea Party did - a self-fulfilling prophecy depiction in the media as backward and hick, this leading to a major hit in the movement's acceptability (mostly without cause), thus leading to the only people left being Grandma and racist Uncle Ned. Now, as much as wider sources will attempt to persuade you otherwise, it's not *only* Grandma and Uncle Ned left, but it's certainly true that the label became tainted. What confidence do you have that any other populist small-"l" group would not suffer the same fate? If your plan includes throwing out Uncle Ned, that's fine - but how do you do that? Further, any plan that fails to reach out to Grandma at least a little (or worse, tells her "get fucked") is doomed to failure.

Big-"L" Libertarianism has achieved widespread recognition but few goals because both sides of the aisle encourage its fundamental unseriousness. Isolating more radical elements outside the country club or the union hall in their own party is the best guarantee that no reform will ever take place *unless* a party commits outright suicide - see the Whigs. Per that, if there are two Tea Parties (one of the racists, one of conservatarians) that will lead to the demise of the Republican Party, you'll see a lot of the latter group in whatever you do, buoying your support. Wouldn't that be enough to encourage a Tea Party in whatever form?

You're sitting on a lot of misinformation about what a Tea Party is, or isn't, but maturity would dictate a mature response to any received wisdom on any similar movement *received by and from those at greatest threat*. Take the "Obama with hitler mustache": did you ever receive the slightest inkling that that display was not part of the Tea Party gathering, but LaRouchies several blocks away? There are any number of other points I could mention as well. Just don't assume that the "next" Tea Party is solely a bunch of racists and grandmas simply because the DNC *said they were*.

jariten1781 > PatBateman 09/30/2014 at 17:32

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I do...that's why I gave the Execs an out in the last line.

I also haven't lived in a state for 10+ years that has a straight ticket tick box on the ballot. Even when I did I'm pretty sure it didn't cover non partisan elections like School Boards voter initiatives or whatever.

wkiernan > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 09/30/2014 at 20:18

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These guys are running for office, and saying things like that gets them votes: It's What The People Want. A majority of The People in Texas, at least; this is simply undeniable. How many of his fellow "Tea Party" statesmen are in the Texas legislature? how many of these excellent gentlemen have the Texas voters sent to Washington, to inflict their ideas on the rest of the country?

thebigbossyboss > Tapas 10/01/2014 at 07:41

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I agree there are right wing nuts in the Republican party....but Obama really has been a terrible president. The democrats have single underhandedly made my life a lot more difficult.

Tapas > thebigbossyboss 10/01/2014 at 10:05

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There is no blame shifting here. Obama has to be more aggressive with the execution of his and the Democratic party's proposals.

But Republicans have been blocking anything he brings up, with reckless disregard of rationality.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j…

thebigbossyboss > Tapas 10/01/2014 at 10:19

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Yeah. Blocking everything is stupid. In 2008 all 3 voters in my family voted democrat. Now, there one republican, one non voter and one democrat. Many high hopes dashed.

Tapas > thebigbossyboss 10/01/2014 at 10:28

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Dashed indeed.

I can't fault people if they take the effort to look into which political party best serves their and their jurisdictions' interest. Thats more than most people do.

Unfortunately with the choice of only two major parties, sometimes people say well A didnt work so lets give B a shot. That might have influenced why Obama got elected. Now the same mind set might get a Republican elected.